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Tuesday, May 16, 2006

The Ultimate Futility of the Good Fight

I am taking a break from evolution this week to discuss current events as they relate to Christian theology.

I have been thinking a great deal about the culture war in America, and even across the world. This subject has occupied much of my mind for several years now, and after these years of studying current events, politics, and the Bible I have reached a conclusion.

Traditionalists and conservatives like myself are doomed to lose.

How can I say such a thing? How can a man who fights for good conservative, traditional, Christian values admit defeat long before the war will be over?

I say it because the Bible predicts it.

Prophesy is an often overlooked aspect of Biblical study, mostly because is a preacher discusses it on Sunday when there are many newcomers to church and non-Christian visitors it is very easy to sound wacky and drive people away. If a preacher spends a great deal of time discussing the prophesies of the Bible and the terrible destruction followed by glorious redemption that they predict it is frequently seen as fear mongering due to the destruction and Hellfire involved. Such a thing is not generally constructive to outsiders and newcomers to the faith. Hence, almost all of the Sunday efforts are focused on God’s love, redemption, holiness, and Biblical principals of living.

Personally, I have been drawn to Biblical prophesy from a young age, and have a particular fondness for the apocalyptic books of Daniel and Revelation. There are many other prophesies spread throughout the Bible, including a few made by Jesus Himself, and of these most have already been fulfilled, and the ones that have not yet come to full fruition are mostly, if not entirely the ones that signal the end of the world as we know it. This is one major reason that many Christians are convinced that we are living in or very near to the end times at this moment.

So what does this have to do with the culture wars and the impending victory of the radical liberals and socialists?

Put simply, these radicals are pushing for an agenda that is nearly identical to the situation man be in when the final judgments are ultimately unleashed upon the world.

Jesus said that God would hand men over to unnatural (sexual) desires. Homosexuality is now an in-your-face fact of life, and is slowly growing from a rare aberration to what will ultimately be commonplace. The final thing homosexuality and bisexuality need to be allowed to grow to the status of commonplace is some form of official sanction. That official sanction is marriage. Some countries have already made homosexual marriage the law of the land. To fulfill the prophesy that men, meaning mankind, would be handed over to unnatural sexual desires for the destruction of their bodies sexual aberrations like homosexuality, bisexuality, incest, and bestiality must become commonplace, possibly even the rule. I can foresee (logically, not as a prophet, I am not a prophet and never claim to be one) a time when Bisexuality is actually considered the norm, and various sexual triads, quads, or even bigger multiple sexual partner relationships, trysts, and affairs are just the way people conduct their sexual affairs, and heterosexual monogamy will become rare and seen as strange. The event that will almost certainly unleash this upon the world is homosexual marriage. Once homosexual marriage is legal I would be surprised if the situation I have described above takes 40 years to be a fact. I might even hazard to say it could happen in 30 years or less. SO I must extend a grudging congratulations to the homosexual activists on their impending victory. You will get everything you want and more, the Bible says so.

The Bible predicts that women would stop caring about their children. To my way of thinking there is nothing les loving than killing your own child. Enter abortion. Will it go away in America? Never. Actually, while we may manage to restrict some forms of abortion it will almost certainly remain pretty much an on demand business and it will be made ever more available worldwide with fewer restrictions. I would extend a grudging congratulations on the future victory of the abortionists, but that victory is already early complete.

A one world government WILL happen. Though I personally despise the UN and see it as an utterly useless and hopelessly corrupt body, it represents a growing movement to the impending one world government. The instruction starting to be put on schoolchildren that is inducting them to the idea of being citizens of a unified world rather than of an individual country will spell the end of widespread resistance to a single global government in 30 to 40 years. I would be surprised if it took longer than that. And it absolutely MUST happen for the Antichrist to be able to become the one leader of the entire world. If there is no one world government, how can the Antichrist rule the world? It will not happen by force but by diplomacy according to the Bible, so there must already be a world government in place. So, a grudging congratulations must be extended to the UN for its future success in becoming the sovereign governing body for the whole world. If it is not the UN it will be another world body. The Bible says so.

Christianity will become more persecuted, more hidden from view as time goes on. None of the evils that men will bring to the world will be allowed to happen without resistance as long as Christianity has a strong public voice. Right now there is a movement to silence Christianity in the public square and to remove all public reminders of Christianity from public view. Eventually this movement to suppress Christianity will succeed, and during the time of the Antichrist’s rule that silence will be turned to such persecution that the punishment for being a Christian will be death by beheading. So, a grudging congratulations must be extended to the Atheists for their impending victory. They will get everything they want and more as far as suppressing Christianity is concerned. Once again, the Bible says so.

Today we can see how values the world over are being convoluted, evil is being considered good, and good is being considered evil. The usual terms that is used to describe people who stand by what is good are bigot, ignorant, old fashioned, repressive, mean, and any other of a myriad of generally demeaning terms that the radicals and liberals use to describe everyone who stands by what is right according to God. It’s bothersome, but its okay, the Bible says this twisting of human values is going to happen.

Before any of you who actually want to see what I have described come to fruition break out the Champaign in celebration of someone who opposes you saying that his religion predicts total victory for you I suggest you consider the following.

All of this and more is prophesied to happen for the sole purpose of preparing the world for the final judgment, the ultimate wrath of the Lord God before He finally kicks all sin and all unredeemed sinners out of the world and casts them into the eternal torment of Hell. These victories for the radicals are simply preparing the world for the apocalypse itself.

So why bother to fight it? I fight it because it is the right thing for me to do as a Christian. It is my God-given duty to tell the truth so that any who will hear it and believe have the chance to do so. It s my God-given duty to tell the truth so that any who hear it but do not believe remember it when the events recorded in the Books of Daniel and Revelation come to pass, and maybe, just maybe, some of them will come to believe and be redeemed even in the darkest time the world will ever see.

Still, it is tiring. It is draining to watch events unfold that I desperately want to stop, but also know that nothing will stop them. It is draining to tell people the truth of the situation and to speak what is right knowing that the very people I a want most desperately to reach are simply going to reject what I am saying anyway. Still, I do it because it is the right thing to do.

If it were up to me none of the things I have said here in this article would come true. Christians would win the culture war handily, there would be worldwide revival, and we would enter a golden age unlike any the world has ever known to date. It will not happen though. Instead I and all others who fight beside me will lose this fight in the most complete sense of the word. The world will enter the darkest times it has ever known and will ever know. But, Jesus Christ will return, reclaim the world for Himself, kick all evil out of it, and then we will enter a golden age far greater than the one we would have if I had my way in the current culture war. And this golden age under the rulership of Jesus will last an eternity, after a slight hiccup at the end of the first thousand years when God will unleash Satan upon the Earth one last time for the final battle.

So enjoy your victory while it lasts you radicals. It will be short lived and it will be very traumatic for you. As for me and my ilk, we shall rest in the victory to come after yours.

53 Comments:

  • Well said.

    You're right though, it is tiring to watch a battle that is destined to be lost (although the war is a different story).

    And I hate seeing our country torn apart by all of it.

    By Blogger The Conservative UAW Guy, at 5:43 AM  

  • You might be interested to know that I replied to your attacks on and misunderstandings of Islam.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:12 AM  

  • Oh man, you can be so unpleasant sometimes: "To fulfill the prophesy that men, meaning mankind, would be handed over to unnatural sexual desires for the destruction of their bodies sexual aberrations like homosexuality, bisexuality, incest, and bestiality must become commonplace, possibly even the rule." I see you are using that slippery slope argument again, you know how that makes rational people mad! I find it really fecking offensive that you link the word homosexuality with incest and bestiality as they're completely different things. Would you like me to link your Christianity in with suicide bombings? Same difference, dude.

    "Once homosexual marriage is legal I would be surprised if the situation I have described above takes 40 years to be a fact. I might even hazard to say it could happen in 30 years or less": Thanks mate. Pick a scapegoat, it could have been Islam or Liberals or the French or the UN but today it's me and my forthcoming marriage. Your logic is illogical. I am sure religiously inclined bigots used the slippery slope theory for interracial marriage becoming legal not that long ago. It's disgusting and hateful and very un-Christian of you to peddle such hatred.

    You mention abortion and link that to your Bible prophecies too. And the UN: "If there is no one world government, how can the Antichrist rule the world? " Crazy paranoia! Do you live in some kind of survivalist bunker awaiting this apocalypse? So once again it's a flimsy link to shoehorn the Bible into a rant about your personal distastes in the world to try and present your post as a logical piece of writing. What a shame, as I had started to think of you as an intersting writer.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 10:13 AM  

  • 76 - He doesn't live in an armed bunker; I do. ;)

    By Blogger The Conservative UAW Guy, at 12:33 PM  

  • Can you please make him your lodger then? He can push the button every 108 minutes to prevent the world ending...

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 1:37 PM  

  • DP76,

    "I see you are using that slippery slope argument again, you know how that makes rational people mad!"

    Then it must truly infuriate you that I only say this because the Bible predicts it.

    What you are failing to realize is that I am simply applying biblical prophesy to the current world situation. You do not believe that legitimizing one sexual abberation will open the floodgates to legitimizing the others, but as your dutch neighbors prove, legalizing homosexual marriage has already allowed for the legal union of a man and 2 bisexual women, one of those triads I mentioned ion this article. In places like India, homosexuality is not considerd normal a this time, but pedophilia is an accepted practice, as is sexual slavery. In Muslim nations polygamy is normal. In Mexico "donkey shows", live shows where a woman has sex with a donkey, are almost as common as strip clubs in the US. Are these things connected? In the sense they are all sexual misbehavior that is accepted in some part of the world yes. When homosexual marriage comes to India what makes you think they will discontinue thier practice of pedophilia, including marrying off 12 year old girls to fully grown men. Is it not reasonable to assume this prsctice might get exported? Especially when people immigrate to other countries with thier child brides of both genders and whatever harem theey may have accumulated? When Homosexual mariage and pedophilia are legalized in Mexico, is it not reasonable to assume that some people would seek to have their sexual relationships with their animals legally sanctioned as well? And is is not reasonable to assume that people who marry their entire farmyard will want thier marriages recognized in other nations that they move to? Or is all of this news to you and you have very little idea of events outside of Europe?

    Regarding Abortion, I stand by my assertion that is a hateful, murderous monstrosity, and that it is here to stay in spite of this fact.

    Regarding the UN, is it not at this time growing in power to the point where high numbers of government officials the world over are saying that the UN must not be defied by any member state? Is it not aloowing any nation that applies membership regardless of that nation's record on the ideals the UN is supposedly standing for? And once this world body has gained enough power and prestige int the world is it not just natural that man would rise up to such prominence that he would truly hold sway over the world at some point or another? Are you truly naive enough to not see the simple progression? Are you truly uninformed enough to not know that this is a goal that is actively being worked for by many people the world over?

    You are welcome to call this crazy paranoia, but all I am doing is analyzing current events according to Biblical prophesy. As a Christian I put great stock in the words of the Bible, and it no leap at all to look at what has been prophesied, look at what is happening in the world today, and conclude that it is very probable that the two are related, especially since the Bible says all that is hapening in these areas is going to happen. As more countries begin to fuse their currencies, gradually reducing the number of different monetary systems through alliances the way the EU is doing right now and it becomes more apparent tha there will eventually be a one world currency, will you still consider my words today to be paranoia? As the last few nations in the world that are not members of the UN join it, making it a truly global body, will you still call my words paranoia? Don;t bother answering that, I already know the answer is yes. And the answer will continue to be yes as long as you choose to ignore Biblical prophesy, which I expect you will do.

    And no, I don't live in a bunker, but is Alaska close enough for your purposes? :)

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 6:19 PM  

  • It's amazing you write all this while retaining a dream of political glory. You are aware that no political party would back you, right? I mean, writing all this drivel is the surest way to keep you OUT of public office. Also, your understanding of other cultures is tainted by weird misinformation. Were do you get your news- pulp magazines?

    By Blogger Vile Blasphemer, at 7:25 AM  

  • Vile,

    "Also, your understanding of other cultures is tainted by weird misinformation. Were do you get your news- pulp magazines?"

    Does witnessing these atrocities count? Just because the mainstream news media does not report on something does not make it untrue. For example, there have been no reports on the global sex slave trade in several years even though the problem has grown to the point where there ae warnings about overseas job offers in the employment section of many newspapers. Of course, this does not just affect grown women, in Calcutta India the red light district is lined with children ages 4-16 locked in cages and up for sale for the sexual desires of perverts. If you don't believe me go there yourself and see it with your own eyes. It should make you sick to your stomach. Want to see a donkey show? The nearest ones are in any border town, but they extend all the way to Panama, and they are not hidden. Try to imagine not knowing what a donkey show and walking into a place advertising them out of curiosity, then (briefly) seeing that disgusting act taking place before leaving very fast. Another example, there is a great deal of good happening in Iraq, and yet the media only reports the violence (I just left the army last month, so don't bother trying to tell me this is untrue.) Come to think of it, the mainstream meadia fails to report on some 99% of world events while hammering a very few stories to death. Interestingly enough, it seems like most of the most important stories get ignored as well. I wonder why? (Well, not really, that was just a rhetorical question. I am reasonably sure it something to do with the MSM being generally liberal.)

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 8:18 AM  

  • Daniel, what does child sex and donkey shows have to do with your post? Nobody would disagree that those two things are terrible but they're not what people are continually annoyed about in your rants... Oh wait. It's to link up homosexuality with true perversions, to make us look bad. Thanks.

    Do you really believe that gay people are a modern invention? Men have been having sex with men since the dawn of time. It's just more acceptable in the less religiously intolerant societies in the 21st century and gay marriage strngthens sociey, creates new family bonds and stability... but you will never take off your Jesus-coloured glasses to see that. What business is it of yours anyway?

    "You are welcome to call this crazy paranoia, but all I am doing is analyzing current events according to Biblical prophesy." Well indeed. You have a narrow view of the world from those ridiculous Right Wing websites and like to link The Bible to everything. I would rather hear your own opinions untainted by the brainwashing of organised religion. It stops people having serious discussions about things.

    Listing bad things like paedophillia, sex slavery and the apocalypse does not make an intelligent blog post. It makes a load of unpleasant lists with no real point to be made except "isn't The Bible great because it forsaw everything bad in the world?" You ARE paranoid and you ARE bigotted and you recycle the same tired old prejudices in this blog.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 9:16 AM  

  • dan project 76,

    How is it any less bigotted of you to trash someone's religion? Whether you like what he says or not, trashing his beliefs only makes you look bad.

    But on the issue of sexuality. How, exactly, is one form of sexual deviation (from the normal male+female biological union) different from another? Isn't it trendy to call it genetic now? How can you say that a child molester isn't "born that way", or someone who likes bestiality, or someone who likes to rape people? THAT is a slippery slope. Calling sexual orientation genetic is opening the gates for any kind of sex that anyone wants, after all they were "born that way" so you can't tell them it's wrong.

    Sure homosexuality is different from bestiality in that you trade one un-natural orifice for another, but in both cases the sex is just for pleasure and biologically backwards. How is it really that different?

    I know you'll go on a rant about how men are different from animals and children or whatever, and sure you're right. But honestly, I don't see the difference between having sex with them all. Once you cross the line, it all looks the same to me.

    By Blogger Seamus, at 9:57 AM  

  • Seamus: I wasn't trashing his religion, just saying that organised religion tends to stop people thinking for themselves and forming opinions via their own experiences.

    "How can you say that a child molester isn't "born that way", or someone who likes bestiality, or someone who likes to rape people?"
    Even if they are born that way their behaviour is abhorrent as it destroys other peoples' lives. It''s a separate issue to consensual loving monogamous relationships.

    "Once you cross the line, it all looks the same to me." Well that may be your opinion and fair enough but there is a line for me as well. I've always been gay and never once thought 'oh yeah that donkey sure looks hot' or felt any attraction to kids. I am no pervert, just a decent ordinary guy.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 10:06 AM  

  • dan project 76,

    You said:
    "It's a separate issue to consensual loving monogamous relationships."

    I disagree. Homosexuality, in my opinion, is a psychological disease just like the other forms of sexual deviation that we've already discussed. Getting into a "loving monogamous relationship" is just fanning the fire of that disease and making both people involved even more psychologically ill. That would be like an alcoholic in a "loving monogamous relationship" with someone who supplies constant alcohol.

    By Blogger Seamus, at 11:23 AM  

  • DP76 -

    Homosexuality is a "disease", comparable to molesting Children, having sex with animals, and the soon to be downfall of our civilization - Or so Daniel and Seamus would have you believe. Do you really think you can explain to them that you are not a demon? Is there really any way to get through that thick wall of their world view to show that you are not the bad guy here?
    I used to think the same way as they did and I changed my thoughts on the subject. Keep trying, and maybe some day you'll get through this hatred and loathing that your private life invokes. They were raised to think this way, and you should forgive them that much... but when they continue into adulthood with the same feelings, they have no excuse.
    Peace in your time.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:50 AM  

  • Seamus, with your "Homosexuality, in my opinion, is a psychological disease just like the other forms of sexual deviation that we've already discussed" you have made Daniel look open minded and friendly. I suppose you think you are some kind of paragon of virtue. You are not. You're simply an unpleasant man. I would like to call you a cunt but that would be offensive.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 3:30 PM  

  • DP76,

    "Nobody would disagree that those two things are terrible"

    On the contrary, these are accepted practices in certain parts of the world. That means that thse parts of the world do not see them as being so terrible as you and I do. It is sheer folly to assume that everybody shares the same basic sense of decency as we do when it comes to these atrocities.

    "It's to link up homosexuality with true perversions, to make us look bad. Thanks."

    And whatdo you think that perfectly straight pedophile in India might say . . . perhaps that is is unfair to link his prefrence for veryyoung girls with the unnatural act of homosexuality? There is a simple fact of life, and that is that we all have the most remarkable ability to justify our own sins while condemning the sins of others. It's just a part of the human condition.

    "Do you really believe that gay people are a modern invention?"

    Most certainly not, or Soddom and Gammorah would not have been destroyed for it. All sins are incredibly ancient. What IS a modern invention is homosexual marriage. Never in the history of the world has it been allowed before te last few years.

    "but you will never take off your Jesus-coloured glasses to see that."

    Very true, I do look tat the world through Jesus colored glasses. It is how I make evry decision about basic values and right and wrong I have. As far homosexuality being more acceptable in less religious societies goes . . . well duh! State the obvious why don't you! When you remove God from a society you removeall morality higher than man can make subjective unto himself. This is why ALL sins become vastly more acceptible as religion fades from a culture.

    "I would rather hear your own opinions untainted by the brainwashing of organised religion."

    These are my own opinions. It is a conclusions I have drawn entirely on my own from personal study. The fact that other Christians tend to agree with me just tells me that I may be right. I repeat, I am not just regurgitating the words or ideas of some preacher.

    As far as hearing my opninions without any religious goes, it simply will not happen. All of my opinions are colored by my religion, as it should be for any man of faith.

    "Listing bad things like paedophillia, sex slavery and the apocalypse does not make an intelligent blog post."

    Even I will admit tha tif it were not recorded in the Bible it would be most silly of me to do such a thing. But since the Bible does actually predict these situations as precursors to the apocalypse I am doing nothing more than stating that it appears that the end time prophesies are unfolding before my very eyes.

    "You ARE paranoid and you ARE bigotted and you recycle the same tired old prejudices in this blog."

    I'll make you a deal. If I am ever in England, or you are ever in Alaska, I will give you the chance to say that to my face over a pint of bear at your choice of pub. My treat.

    Anonomys,

    "Homosexuality is a "disease", comparable to molesting Children, having sex with animals, and the soon to be downfall of our civilization - Or so Daniel and Seamus would have you believe. Do you really think you can explain to them that you are not a demon?"

    And so you expose your own utter misunderstanding of my position, and that of most Christians. First off, no man is a demon ave for the antichrist, who is nothing less than the devil incarnate. Second, you are ignoring the fac tthat Homosexuality was actually listed as a disease my the board of psychiatry, or whatever the people who decide what mental diseases exist are, until (American) homosexual activists successfully lobbied/threatened them into delisting it. Yes, it is enough of an abberation that logical profesionals called it abnormal until some 20-30 years ago. However, to my own way of thinking it is simply a sin, and it is a sin that anyone can engage in if they so choose. Some people make the choice to do it and thenjustify their actions in their own minds, some peopel decide that they would rather not engage in that particular sin. Still, ALL sin is wrong, and ALL sin stains the world.

    As far as your arguments against theslope are cooncerned, what is your stance on the headway NAMBLA (anorganized group of pedophiles) is making in the courts by doing exactly what the homosexual activists have been doing for 30 years now? Does it make you proud that the efforts of homosexual activistshasgiven these pedophioles everything they need to change the legal system through the courts to allow them to engage in heor perversion with full legal sanction? It hasn't happened yet, but it heading that direction as we speak, and it is court decisions like the one striking down the Texas sodomy law stating "the state cannot regulate private sexual activity" that have paved the way. When they take their case to the Supreme Court, courtesy of the ACLU, this precedent will be central to their aruments. How do I know this? It already is the central argument they have chosen to use in theor court battle to legalize pedophilia. Again, does this please you?

    "Keep trying, and maybe some day you'll get through this hatred and loathing that your private life invokes."

    What hatred? You may be shocked to learn this, but I do not hate anyone for engaging in sinfulactivities. It would make me a hyppocrite since I have sinned myself. My sin is not homosexuality, but that doesn't make it any less serious in Godd's eyes. Of course, this is just another one of those "bigoted religious teachings" you like to deride so much.

    DP76,

    "you have made Daniel look open minded and friendly."

    And here I thought is my charm and simple honesty that makes you like me so much. But here you make it look like it's just because I insult your sensibilities less than other like-minded people to myself.

    Seamus,

    Good points. I especialy like this one: "How is it any less bigotted of you to trash someone's religion? Whether you like what he says or not, trashing his beliefs only makes you look bad."

    It is rather remarkable to me that people feel so free to say any bad thing about me and my faith that they want to and it somehow not bigoted or closed minded to them. Let me speak my mind, especially when I speak about my religious convictions, and sudenly it I who am the bigot. It seems to me that anyone who is willing to throw such accusations around should look to himself to see what it is about him that brings him to do this. If it is simply the fact that that they are repelled by my religion, or by the teachings of my religion that I speak of, then it could be legitimately argued that it is they who are the bigots. After all, would they say sch things if they weren't?

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 10:09 PM  

  • It is rather remarkable to me that people feel so free to say any bad thing about me and my faith that they want to and it somehow not bigoted or closed minded to them.

    When you swing your religion like a sword against those you oppose, expect to be disarmed. You put your religion up for examination and ultimately to be attacked when you do such things. Stop acting as if you are the injured party struggling to keep back the angry mob. It is the other way around. You are a member of the majority, and you are attacking a minority for their private, CONSENSUAL, lives.
    It is your religion that makes you think that the lives of these people will bring about the fall of civilization, or some biblical event of smiting.
    As in most cases here, leave your religion out of the argument if you don't want it attacked -- And stop whining when it is, you are hardly the downtrodden.

    And so you expose your own utter misunderstanding of my position, and that of most Christians.

    Yes, you believe in demons, as I do not. When I say demon, you actually think of Satan or the antichrist, whereas I think of the demonizing of people so that you might gather support from like minded individuals and attack them more effectively. We are on two different wave-lengths when it comes to reality. Oh, and there is no such thing as magic, no matter what you've read. Gasp.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:49 AM  

  • Homosexuality, in my opinion, is a psychological disease just like the other forms of sexual deviation that we've already discussed.

    That may be your opinion, but according to research psychology (which does follow scientific methodology standards) your opinion is foolishness. Thanks for trying, though.

    Levesque, your listing of atrocities is silly- you can not define a culture by those standards. If you did, the whole of America has far worse guilt to answer for.

    As far as being in the Army goes- you know what you're told, so I can't exactly call you an authority on how well things are going in Iraq. Duh.

    By Blogger Vile Blasphemer, at 7:01 AM  

  • Anonomys,

    "You are a member of the majority, and you are attacking a minority for their private, CONSENSUAL, lives."

    I see . . . so if a group of people were to make a suicide pact where they killed each off one by one until there was only oone person left who would then have to kill himself you think that is perfectly acceptable because it a consensual activity by adults. You think that if a group of adults decides to get high as a kite and cut each other up to drink each other's blood that is perfectly okay and normal because they are consenting adults. No, no, I get it. as long as everyone engaging in an activity is a consenting adult it is perfectly normal and healthy, and anyone who says otherwise for any reason is just a closed minded bigot. Thank you for making your position so clear.

    Vile,

    "That may be your opinion, but according to research psychology (which does follow scientific methodology standards) your opinion is foolishness. Thanks for trying, though."

    See, that's just it, these psychologists did, in fact, list homosexuality as a disease until the mid to late 80's when they were successfully lobbied and threatened by the homosexual activists to have it removed from the list of mental disorders. This is hardly the proper scientific way to delist a mental disorder. Thanks for trying though.

    "Levesque, your listing of atrocities is silly- you can not define a culture by those standards."

    Since when? Are you saying that Nazi culture cannot be defined by the practice of genocide, cruel human experiments, war, and selective breeding? Well, now, as ong as we ignore al of the evil the Nazis engaged in they aren't that bad, are they? Heck, if you ignore the atrocities Hitler himself ceases to be a villian. Give me a break.

    "As far as being in the Army goes- you know what you're told, so I can't exactly call you an authority on how well things are going in Iraq. Duh."

    And once again you expose your ignorance. Soldiers get to see what is happening in Iraq with thier own eyes. Then they come home and tell other soldiers and their own families about what they have seen with thier own eyes. At the same time there are official releases by those oh-so-evil people in the upper levels of command that say remarkably similar stuff to what the lowest private returning from war says when no one in authoriity is looking. It's a giant conspiracy where the government is projecting holograms of every good thing appening in Iraq to fool every soldier over there into believeing the lies they put out in print to lend credence to the falsehoods. At least, it must be for your ridiculous statement to be true. Lay off the conspiracy juice man, it's affecting your ability to think.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 7:59 AM  

  • dan project 76,

    When did I ever claim to be a paragon of virtue? I never said anything about myself in this entire list of comments. I could be the worst person on this entire blog, I haven't indicated anything about my character or behavior.

    If you don't like what I say, fine. Deal with it. The only person I see with "hatred" here is you.

    By Blogger Seamus, at 8:46 AM  

  • "See, that's just it, these psychologists did, in fact, list homosexuality as a disease until the mid to late 80's when they were successfully lobbied and threatened by the homosexual activists to have it removed from the list of mental disorders."

    Because this was the homosexual lobbies' main priority since the Reagan administration was ignoring AIDS. The DSM is not influenced by politics because of a HUGE system of peer review. If anything, unscientific idiocy (like your gay mental disorder claim) has been removed. I see from this that you aren't friends with many psychologists in good standing with the APA. Again, thanks for trying.

    "Are you saying that Nazi culture cannot be defined by..."

    Tsk tsk tsk- this does not apply because you were previously describing an entire ethnic culture. Nazism is a political movement culture. To resolve this disparity, you would need to be able to claim that ALL Germans are Nazis. Since we're on the topic, you're obviously a Christian. Should your Christian ethos be defined by all the atrocities in Christianity's past? This includes Hitler. There's your break.

    "Soldiers get to see what is happening in Iraq with thier own eyes."

    For any one soldier to be an authority on the entire situation, he'd have to be near omniscient. I'm fairly certain you're not. Knowing "a few guys" who agree with you doesn't make you right. I don't disagree that there are "good things happening" in Iraq; I was, however, questioning your validity as a source. I have far more reputable, unbiased sources than you.

    Soldiers, like yourself, get very little bad news. I can understand how you are angry and confused to find things are different from what you're are spoonfed, but a great deal of research has gone into proving that soldiers with too much truth are less reliable. Thanks for being part of the morale machine!

    Conspiracy juice? A laughable comment at most.

    By Blogger Vile Blasphemer, at 11:12 AM  

  • I see . . . so if a group of people were to make a suicide pact where they killed each off one by one until there was only oone person left who would then have to kill himself you think that is perfectly acceptable because it a consensual activity by adults. and on and on...

    Yeah, nice apples to oranges argument you made up there, Daniel. So you want to be religious, eh? How about the terrorists that were religious and flew into the WTC and Pentagon, or beheaded people in Iraq?
    Yes, I think you are very different from those people, but you sure make some ridiculous arguments at times. I like to take each situation on an individual basis and not lump all 'different' behavior into one group. It's too bad you can't do the same.

    No, no, I get it. as long as everyone engaging in an activity is a consenting adult it is perfectly normal and healthy, and anyone who says otherwise for any reason is just a closed minded bigot.

    So, how in your mind (using your two examples) is getting high and cutting yourself, or others, to drink blood or killing others and then yourself healthy? I don't get it. And once again, this compares to homosexuality? Oh wait, that's right, we're talking about consent from adults, and therefore everything goes... slippery slope and all that good stuff.
    Seriously Daniel, don't believe everything you think.

    Seamus said,
    I haven't indicated anything about my character or behavior.

    Yes, you did. We are quite capable of extrapolating from your written words a great deal about your views on this subject a bit about you. And if that is not enough, as you might protest, we can gather more information from your website, the address in which you made available to us in your last posting. Mostly, you come off as a lightweight. Shrug.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:43 AM  

  • Daniel, I'm ready for that bear, sorry, beer! :-)
    I'll even have an American one, thanks!

    "However, to my own way of thinking it is simply a sin, and it is a sin that anyone can engage in if they so choose." I think we've been down this path before. Most men whould not agree with you on this. They know how their brain and body are wired! And once again shall I state that this NAMBLA thing is a bunch of sicko perv paedophiles and not gays? I think I already did!

    And Daniel, I don't hin people are repelled by you being a Christian at all, it's more in the way that you use it to put words onto your blog that offends them. I think most atheiosts dislike religion because they only come into contact with the more preachy side of it and it pisses them off, whereas most Christians are probably very pleasant firendly people. It's like the way that most gay people don't dress up as women and go on Gay Pride marches. It's the noisy majority that get all the (usually negative) attention.

    Seamus: I don't like you and your aggressive behaviour where you try to turn me into the bigot. Get over it, move on, nothing to see here...

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 12:06 PM  

  • "I'll even have an American one"

    American beer? EWWwwww!

    By Blogger Vile Blasphemer, at 12:45 PM  

  • dan project 76,

    You don't have to like me, that doesn't hurt my feelings. I don't think I've demonstrated aggression here, though. My posts have been completely devoid of emotionalism.

    Anonymous,

    If you want to call me a "lightweight", fine. At least I show my identity to be scrutinized. And my "website" that you mention is a blog of random comedy with a few serious posts scattered about.

    I do agree with Vile, however. American beer is sub-par with the exception of German styles like Shiner Bock or original brews like Samuel Adams. The best beers, in my opinion, are European.

    By Blogger Seamus, at 7:40 AM  

  • At least I show my identity to be scrutinized.

    :(

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:32 PM  

  • I was kidding about the American beer anyway... I thought you Yanks would only drink that stuff because of the Patriot Act but I am glad to be proven wrong.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 3:31 PM  

  • At the end of the book people of faith win. Battles me be lost, but the war is the Lord's victory. So keep plugging away, even as God told Elijah when he thought he was the last prophet. Indeed, God had to reveal there many other prophets of God faithful. So the key is to keep fighting!

    By Blogger Theway2k, at 5:10 PM  

  • Dan Project 76, there are some good beers made here, but nothing from a brewery that has the monetary stones to ship internationally. However, if I'm going to drink any hop beverage that has been mass produced, it had certainly better be opaque. I live in Wisconsin- there is nothing sadder than the Milwaukee Irish Fest, hosted by Miller Brewery, without a single drop of Eire beer.

    By Blogger Vile Blasphemer, at 6:09 PM  

  • At the end of the book people of faith win. Battles me be lost, but the war is the Lord's victory.

    So, your Lord has always known that she will win the war ahead of time, but bothers to go through the motions anyway?

    I mean, to create a perfect world, having always known that she will make it imperfect shortly after its inception, only to have always known she will make it perfect again in the end after countless people suffer.

    What a jerk. And if I were her publisher, I would tell her that makes no sense and not publish her book, or at least force a rewrite of the obvious and numerous flaws.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:18 PM  

  • I think I might start a new religion with The Cat In The Hat as the deity. He seems a lot less likely to be interpreted in a spiteful way...

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 2:18 AM  

  • Oh and can I add that I don't see myself as a 'radical' (as described at the end of your original ludicrous post, Daniel) at all. It's all just common snese to me.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 4:42 AM  

  • Vile,

    "Because this was the homosexual lobbies' main priority since the Reagan administration was ignoring AIDS. The DSM is not influenced by politics because of a HUGE system of peer review. If anything, unscientific idiocy (like your gay mental disorder claim). . ."

    Do you realize that you just contradicted yourself? You said that Homosexual activists needed to lobby the DSM because the politicians were not pressuring them to do it, then you said that politics has nothing to do with the process. One can only glean from your statements that you have no idea what you are talkin gabout. On top of that, if there DSM was disinclined to bend to politics then there would be no need whatsoever for homosexuals to lobby it in the first place. The fact that this happened is proof that you entire premise of the decision being medically based is false. On top of that I have a nifty little factoid for you. The DSm has been listing an ever growing number of mental disorders and illnesses, but there is only one mental disorder or disease ever to be delisted, and that is homosexuality as a result of the successful efforts of the homosexual activist lobby to pressure and threated the DSM into doing it.

    "Tsk tsk tsk- this does not apply because you were previously describing an entire ethnic culture. Nazism is a political movement culture. To resolve this disparity, you would need to be able to claim that ALL Germans are Nazis. Since we're on the topic, you're obviously a Christian. Should your Christian ethos be defined by all the atrocities in Christianity's past? This includes Hitler. There's your break."

    First, it absolutely does apply. A group of people is defined by their actions. Also, you obviously have zero education regarding Nazism. Allow me to enlighten you. Yoou claim that Hitler wa a Christian when, in fact, he was not. He believed in the Nazi religious cult. This religious cult is where he drew his ideas regarding the Aryan Race, which, according ot his religion, were a race of blonde haired, blue eyed giants that were corrupted by the invasion of the Jews into Germany. Hitler killed as many Christians as Jews if not more in his death camps, and yes, they were imprisoned for religious reasons. Hitler even wrote about his hatred of the Church itself, though not so much as he wrote about his hatred of the Jews. Again, you continue to expose a remarkable ignorance of the topic matter.

    Regarding your assertion about Christianity being defined by the past, ther is much to say. For example, Every atrocity ever committed in the name of God by Christians is demonsttrably opposite of the teachings of Jesus, and these atrocities, as well as the people who committed them are almost universally denounced by Christians worldwide. Also, an interesting historical note: There is only one culture in history to document it's arrors as thoroughly as it documented it glories, and that is Christianty. Look it up. Read the histories as they are recorded from within and without from any given culture, the only one where internal dispute of percieved wrongs and calls for the correction of errors has been documented and kept is the ones coming from Christian cultures. This demonstrates a conscience that screams for future generations to learn from the mistakes of the past and not to repeat them, where every other culture encourages the repetition of evils and errors by only recording thier glories, and even masking thier atrocities as glories. However, if you want to define Christianity by its past I highly reccommend you give a thorough study so you can see that 99% of everything Christianity has done around the world is spectacularly good.

    Now, you may not be willing to define a culture by the standards I have set, but I am, even my own. I am most happy to l ook at what is being done right now, today, and say that what a culture is engaging in at this moment defines it today. To turn a blind eye to the wrongs of a culture is to say that those wrongs are permissible. This is irresponsible and foolish. If you don't want wrong to spread you must fight it where it lives or it will grow. This is a simple fact as proven by history. It has always happened.

    So, what of America? America has done wrong, and it has much to answer for. Just look at this short list of biggies: Slavery. Abortion. Greed. Gluttony. Divorce. Injustice. Political Corruption.
    Yes, America is guilty of these and more, and God most certainly dissapproves. And yes, the final judgement will fall just as hard on America as it will on every other nation on Earth. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Therfore all are deserving of His ritcheous judgement, and only those who have recieved His grace will be spared. Frtunatle for us all, His grace is available to us all. Unfortunately, many people have, and many people will reject it. Still, it is this world of sin that brings His judgement, the list I gave in this article are just ones that were pointed out as signs of His judgement coming very near, among other signes as well.

    "For any one soldier to be an authority on the entire situation, he'd have to be near omniscient. I'm fairly certain you're not. Knowing "a few guys" who agree with you doesn't make you right. I don't disagree that there are "good things happening" in Iraq; I was, however, questioning your validity as a source. I have far more reputable, unbiased sources than you."

    What one must look at is the general trend of what eyewitnesses say they have seen and experienced in Iraq, and that trend is overwhelmingly positive. However, you cannot expect a media that is almost universally biased against the way to actually report such things, especially when pictures and stories of the violence make much more sensational news. Surely even you must understand this.

    "Soldiers, like yourself, get very little bad news."

    Wrong. we get everything from the men and women who were there and saw and experienced it. Surely you must realize that soldiers actually talk to each other about thier experiences and that we don;t just eat up every official release the pentagon puts out? What do you think soldiers are? Sheep?

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 12:37 PM  

  • Anonomys,

    "Yeah, nice apples to oranges argument you made up there, Daniel. So you want to be religious, eh? How about the terrorists that were religious and flew into the WTC and Pentagon, or beheaded people in Iraq?"

    Apples to Oranges? not at all. Your argumetnt is that everything I have called wrong is okay as long as it is consenting adults engaging in the act. I produced other situaations in which fully consenting adults could, and have placed themselves in. If consenting adult is the standard then anything, no matter how vile or repugnant must be allowable as long as the parties involved are consenting adults. You cannot pick and choose based on your own personal biases.

    Regarding the religious men who are actively enganing in terrorism, I have never defended Islam, I have actually run afoul of it as I am critical of it to the point where I believe it to be a demonic religion. I never sid that all religions were good, many are quite harmful to those who follow them, and tho those surrounding the believers in those religions, like Islam.

    "So, how in your mind (using your two examples) is getting high and cutting yourself, or others, to drink blood or killing others and then yourself healthy?"

    Drinking blood is exactly as healthy as homosexualty, promiscuity, and every other sexual sin there is. both result in the exchange of bodily fluids and the transisson of disease as well as having periphery side effects that are rather les than healthy. Again, you are the one who put forth the standard of permisible as being consenting adults. If that is the standard you cannot prevent consenting adults from doing anything they want wih and to each other. To do otherwise would be to do exactly what I am doing and making a judgement call totally unrelated to age and consent and saying "this is not right". However, if you are willing to do this then your argument of consentiing adults holds no water because you do not believe or follow it yourself.

    "So, your Lord has always known that she will win the war ahead of time, but bothers to go through the motions anyway?"

    First, I do recognize the atemnpt at sarcastic humor in this response, and in the use of teh word "she", though I personally am not overly amused by it.

    Now I am going to tell you something so crazy you will never be able to wrap your mind around it. Everything exists only to show the power, glory, mercy, ritcheousness, wrath, love, and every other aspect of God there is. To fully demonstrate the character of God this world must take the course it has taken, and the end must ultimately come, Then, and only then, will even the angels have a true understanding of the very nature of God. Every sould, every angel, every demon, in short, every created being will finally have a true and full understanding of God. Did you really think all was simply random? Did you honestly think that all is not going exactly according to plan? Do you not realized that before Satan can do anything he must get God's permission? Of course not. Your knowledge and understanding is limited by lack of Biblical study, lack of faith, and lack of communion with God.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 12:54 PM  

  • DP76,

    "Most men whould not agree with you on this. They know how their brain and body are wired! And once again shall I state that this NAMBLA thing is a bunch of sicko perv paedophiles and not gays."

    This argument makes no sense. You say that men (and presumably women as well) know how they are wired mentally and sexually, and that makes homosexuality okay. HOwever, doesn't this same arument apply to pedophiles, necrophiliacs, beastiacs, and every form of sexual perversin in existence? Do these people no "know how theey are wired" and simply act on it? Or do you agree with this, but still dismiss them as sick, in which case you immediately lump homosexuality in among the sick because homosexuals fall under the same basic premise of being wired for a sexual abberation. Or are you simply excluding homosexuality because you are a homosexual? Do you not know that pedophile, beastiacs, and necrophiliacs all claim to be perfectly normal and socially acceptable as well? Are we to simply take thier word for it because they say the same things about themselves as the homosexuals do? Or is it all simply a manifestation of humanities amazing ability to excuse our own sins while condeming the sins of others? Me, I think it is the last, and I think it for every sexual relationship outside of a monogomous heterosexual mariage.

    Thinking back, perhaps I was a bit unfair. I was unfair because I spoke about homosexual sin and other unnatual sexual acts, but I left out the condemnation of adultery and fornication that the Bible lays out as well. See, all sexual sin is sexual sin, be it fornication, adultery, homosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, necrophilia, or any other sexual sin you can imagine. All are condemned very clearly in the Bible. However, a special emphasis was lain upon the abandonment of natral sexual desires for unnatural ones as a sign of the coming judgement.

    "And Daniel, I don't hin people are repelled by you being a Christian at all, it's more in the way that you use it to put words onto your blog that offends them."

    Most people, yes, but there are a special few who are offended by the very existence of Chritianity, and they are another group altogether. It is the most natural thing in the world for people to place their own personal beliefs and percieved truths into thier speech and writings, so it should be fully expected that I will insert my beliefs iinto my writings, even if it is not 100% of the time, though it it probably is. I am comfortable enough in my beliefs that I am unbothered by the fact that some people are offended by them.

    "Daniel, I'm ready for that bear, sorry, beer! :-)"

    Oh, I'm prety sure I can scare up some Bear too, I do live in Alaska after all. :)

    "I think I might start a new religion with The Cat In The Hat as the deity."

    Or you can join the cult of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's a humorous attempt to make all religions look ridiculous. It really is quite amusing.

    "Oh and can I add that I don't see myself as a 'radical'"

    Most people don't see themselves as radical, especially if they believe themselves to be in the right. While I am not making comparisons here I do want to point out that Muslim terrorists don't see themselves as radical either. Ask almost anyone else and they will say the terrorists are radicals. Me? I dont think they are radicals at all. I think they are simply copying Mohammad and oding what he did and told them to do. That makes them fundamental in their religion, not radical.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 1:14 PM  

  • I can't have an intelligent conversation with the God Squad, and I don't mean to demean people of faith with that remark, but I just can't do it. It's the proverbial brick wall. If God is everywhere and everything then She (I couldn't resist) is bigger than me or your brainwashed view of the world and we're all wasting our time here. I shall just continue to live me life as a good human being and not be spiteful, twisted or judgemental to other people.

    Peace, love and all that jazz!

    Daniel: You are obsessed with gays and what they do in bed. I suppose you can't help it, as your church and your president is equally as obsessed for reasons unknown. Move on to the real enemies of the world, such as criminals and evil dictators, corrupt governments and bad foreign policies. Me getting married to my partner of 6 years isn't going to bring forth the Anti-Christ! Who appointed you the Grand Sin Monitor anyway? You define sin as "I think it for every sexual relationship outside of a monogomous heterosexual mariage" which is rather handy for you in your smug little heterosexual marriage.

    Daniel: "Ask almost anyone else and they will say the terrorists are radicals. Me? I dont think they are radicals at all. I think they are simply copying Mohammad and oding what he did and told them to do. That makes them fundamental in their religion, not radical." ... Man you just blew the whole religious tolerance plea for your Jesus Squad now! I cannot take you seriously at all!

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 2:47 PM  

  • DP76,

    "Me getting married to my partner of 6 years isn't going to bring forth the Anti-Christ!"

    Of course not. Nothing you or anyone does will do that. I am just laying out some of the signs the Bible mentions of the end coming.

    " . . . which is rather handy for you in your smug little heterosexual marriage."

    You mean in my traditional, natural marriage that is biologically capable of reproducing? I can argue about homosexuality on terms of nature if you want me to take religion out of it. There really is nothing in nature that indicates homosexuality in humans is a natural thing, but none of that actually matters without some form of universal ruth. Universal truth can only exist in the presence of a universal truth giver. That universal truth giver is God, and you don' like what God says about how you choose to live your life. That's perfectly alright. Not everyone will accept Him, it's just a fact.

    "Man you just blew the whole religious tolerance plea for your Jesus Squad now! I cannot take you seriously at all!"

    Wha religious tolerance plea was that? Also, have you bothered to study Islam at all? Have you studied the writings, rituals, law, and history of Islam? If you did you would have no choice but to come to the same conclusion that I have regardin gthat exceedingly violent religion. It is awash in the blood of innocents from Mohammad on to today, the violence has never really stopped. But then, I'mjust being intolerant, aren't I?

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 8:45 AM  

  • Gee, sorry I missed out on this one.

    Peace and love to one and all, y'all.

    (Hey Daniel, did you respond anywhere in here to the question about seriously contending for an office now having written this post for public consumption? You know, whoever asked is right - you'll never be able to get elected to any major office with this kind of cheese on your bread.)

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 10:08 AM  

  • Daniel said:
    "HOwever, doesn't this same arument apply to pedophiles, necrophiliacs, beastiacs, and every form of sexual perversin in existence? Do these people no "know how theey are wired" and simply act on it?"

    And, as I'm sure you know, the difference is with our gay brothers and sisters, they're two responsible adults acting in a loving way and in your example above, there is someone being exploited.

    From a Christian point of view, it's pretty easy to tell the difference: Does it meet the Golden Rule? Would we want someone to do unto us in such a way? Is it loving?

    Acts against children and animals would fall in to an exploitive, not loving, category. Relationships between two consenting adults can be built on mutual love and understanding.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 10:13 AM  

  • Dan T,

    Yes I will still be running for political office.

    As for your argument regarding the consenting adult position, I have already answered that in this discussion. Would you care to reply to my previous comments on it?

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 10:35 AM  

  • Your earlier argument, if I'm looking at the correct one, was:

    "You think that if a group of adults decides to get high as a kite and cut each other up to drink each other's blood that is perfectly okay and normal because they are consenting adults."

    And I made the distinction that our measure should be that they're consenting adults and the actions done in love. I probably could have clarified it to say, done in love and in a wholesome, healthy manner.

    Cutting yourself and others would fall under the abusive category and out of the loving/wholesome category.

    Again, we're talking two different things.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 12:53 PM  

  • Thank you Dan T.

    I was metaphorically banging my head against the metaphorical wall there. Now it's your turn, mate!

    Would you like a virtual Band-Aid?

    Damn this religous stuff that takes us round and round in circles and gets us nowhere. The 9-11 bombers thought they were doing their God's work too. But then they were crazy mass-murdering f*ckers...

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 2:35 PM  

  • Dan T,

    "Cutting yourself and others would fall under the abusive category and out of the loving/wholesome category."

    Even if it is consenting adults? Who are you to make such a call for consenting adults? How can consenting adults possibly be abusing each other?

    What you are doing is simply contradicting your own arguments by claiming that one activity by consenting adults is somehow more or less permissible than another activity by consenting adults. This is where the fatal weakness of your argument lies. You cannot bring yourself to condone an act that is personally revolting even though it mets your personal criteria for permissible.

    As for your assertion that consenting adults cutting each other and drinking each other's blood is abusive, I know a few people who do just that who would call you a moron for thinking that their most intimate of exchanges is wrong.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 5:35 PM  

  • Daniel L, you seem to have some funny ideas. Let's tackle them one at a time in random order.

    both result in the exchange of bodily fluids and the transisson of disease as well as having periphery side effects that are rather les than healthy.

    Interesting. So, in this scenario the homosexual is disease-ridden, promiscuous, and guaranteed to have side effects? Hmm. Because I'm almost positive that heterosexual intercourse exchanges bodily fluids, can transmit disease, and has the chance of side effects. Promiscuous hetero's may pass along disease as surely as any homosexual.

    I'm sure your statistics show that it is more likely among homosexuals, but isn't that just a lack of education in the system? But then again, talking about it would be wrong, so on goes the problem... :(

    Drinking blood is exactly as healthy as homosexualty, promiscuity, and every other sexual sin there is.

    Actually, now that you mention it, I've seen this done on national television, and I have to admit I didn't feel the need to protest it in the streets. As well, I didn't see protests from the Christians either. I'm sure some of you remember the television program on the SciFi channel called 'MAD MAD HOUSE'? Or not. Blood drinking on national television... gasp. Oh well, not my cup of tea (tea is, actually). I guess with the proper tests a person could do it safely.
    Oh, no, slippery slopeageness.. I'm allowing for blood drinking, next thing you know we'll have baby eating in the streets. :(

    Anywho, I had a professor that told me about how he drank a cup of animal's blood as a good luck practice at the beginning of each year while he was on a farm in Germany. It seemed weird, but I still attended his class. And I have to admit, I like a nice bloody steak now and then. MMmm.

    So, yeah, fine... blood drinking. Are we really protesting it? How many posts have you had concerning this atrocity? Shrug.

    Now, I think it would be morally reprehensible for an individual to knowingly pass on a disease to someone else, whether it be in a homosexual, heterosexual, or even non-sexual situation. To knowingly cut short the only life a person has on this earth is a BadThing[tm]. Hey, it could be me or someone I love... That would suck.

    Something you mentioned earlier, but is pertinent to the conversation:
    so if a group of people were to make a suicide pact where they killed each off one by one until there was only oone person left who would then have to kill himself you think that is perfectly acceptable because it a consensual activity by adults.

    No, actually I think it is rather sad when people kill themselves. As mentioned before, you get one life on this planet and you need to enjoy it as much as possible before your time is up.

    Assisted suicide on the other hand, when a person is destined to die and will do so under terrible pain, I am for.

    What I am saying is, I can pick and choose and it doesn't have to be on personal bias. I'm not homosexual, i'm not a blood drinker (although, funny story about a paper cut and some grossed out co-workers, but I can tell that later if you want to hear), i'm not dying of anything in a painful and horrible manner and asking to be killed, and i'm not telling people to stop doing these things.

    I guess I run things through a filter of my own:
    1. Consenting (children, animals, and dead people can not consent - they have forms for that kind of thing)
    2. Harm that could inadvertently come to myself or loved ones (yes, two consenting adults might consent to sky-dive over my house, but the possibilities make me say, "please don't")
    3. Is it legal (you know, getting high and then cutting each other, as compared to just cutting each other)

    Daniel, what does your filter look like? Feel free to show us, and we won't criticize based on something you might miss (we will criticize items you list for sure), after all, it's a harder list to come up with than many might think and I'm sure i've left out a thing or two.


    First, I do recognize the atemnpt at sarcastic humor in this response, and in the use of teh word "she", though I personally am not overly amused by it.

    :(

    Now I am going to tell you something so crazy you will never be able to wrap your mind around it.

    Been there, done that, unwrapped it. Why is it so hard to believe some of us non-godies used to believe the same things you did? You should have just stopped at 'crazy' - that would have hit the nail on the head.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:59 PM  

  • Anonomys,

    "Promiscuous hetero's may pass along disease as surely as any homosexual. I'm sure your statistics show that it is more likely among homosexuals, but isn't that just a lack of education in the system?"

    You must have missed where I said any sexual relationship outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage is wrong. As for the statistics, are you trying to say that there is some kind of conspiracy between doctors and insurance companies to hide the true number of health issues involves in heterosexual activity? It is not an education flaw that causes the statistics showing a higher incidece of a myriad of physical and psychological health problems among homosexuals, and homosexual men in particular, it sis a documented fact.

    "Daniel, what does your filter look like?"

    Read the Bible. That is my filter.

    "Why is it so hard to believe some of us non-godies used to believe the same things you did? You should have just stopped at 'crazy' - that would have hit the nail on the head."

    Oh, there are plenty of Atheists who used to claim mebership ion one religion or another, and plenty of religious who folk who used to be atheists. When I said you wouldn't be able to wrap your mind arounf it I was speaking as someone who is talking ot a person who sees that as a problem with religion as opposed to a simple fact. Are you able to wrap your mind around such a thing to the point where it actually makes sense tp you, of is it justa bunch of silliness ot you? If it the later then you have not wrapped your mind around it.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 8:41 AM  

  • So speaks a man who gets his facts from evil twisted lying sites like The Concerned Women For America which consists of filthy hateful propaganda-spreading bullshit.

    But let's not go there. You're blinkered, lest we forget.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 11:58 AM  

  • You must have missed where I said any sexual relationship outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage is wrong.
    It's Wrong? Thus endeth the debate. No more reasons, no more talk of disease, promiscuity, or side effects... it's just plain wrong folks. Why can't you see how wrong it is? I mean, isn't it obvious...

    As for statistics, i'm not suggesting that there is a conspiracy... I leave that to you when you discuss evolution. I was actually giving your statistics credit in order to make the following point:

    It is not an education flaw that causes the statistics showing a higher incidece of a myriad of physical and psychological health problems among homosexuals, and homosexual men in particular, it sis a documented fact.

    Might as well read:
    It is not an alcoholic drinking flaw that causes the statistics showing a higher incidence of vehicular accidents and addiction among people, and men in particular, it is a documented fact.

    I believe people can drink responsibly (I don't drink at all), and avoid alcohol abuse and addiction. I also believe our educational system and programs have helped to combat this problem.
    Now, from what I have read the side effects and diseases among homosexuals could be avoided if the proper measures were taken.
    Realizing that homosexuality has been around longer than the written word, and it is here to stay, shouldn't we concern ourselves with such things? I realize you want to convert all gays to the heterosexual lifestyle, but since that won't be happening, can't we take realistic steps in our educational system to assist them in their lives? We have sex ed for the hetero's... why not for the other permanent members of our society that surround us?

    Read the Bible. That is my filter.

    The expected answer, for sure. I've read the Bible, and still hit an audio version of the KJ's now and then to refresh my memory on random books. However, I believe you have used a filter on your filter, shaving away what you do not like and keeping what you find reasonable. Want to talk about that other filter?

    As to your last comment about mind wrapping...
    I knew fear of God, and what that really means. I knew faith that could make me rise above my earthly fears. I could feel God working His will on me. I believed that prayer was a direct communion with the creator. I felt that I was watched over by a higher prescence. I believed, utterly and completely.

    Then I got some distance and perspective, and, long story short, I no longer believe. So, yeah, I know where you're coming from, and I realize the pain we unbelievers cause you... The pity you have for us because we don't feel what you feel. The absolute certainty and comfort that you have with you every moment of the day because of your faith. I gave that up, and it was very, very hard. I'm not sure that it has made me a happier person, a better person, or a stronger person, but certainly a different person, and I can't go back. It would be absolutely impossible. I would have a better chance of believing in Santa Claus again... no offense for the comparison, but it is the same in my mind. That said, I remember what it was like to be a believer, that sort of thing sticks with you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:44 PM  

  • DP76,

    "So speaks a man who gets his facts from evil twisted lying sites like The Concerned Women For America which consists of filthy hateful propaganda-spreading bullshit."

    You are welcome to your opinon, but you are still utterly incorrect. Everything there is well documented fact, and it is so contradictory to what certain other groups who are known for trying to promote fantasy as truth that it draws a lot of hate, but has never been shown to be untrue by virtue f the facts supporting it. By your reaction I can only conclude that the truth hurts. Also, what do you think of the fact that Concerned Women for America is actually te largest women's activist group in America? Methinks it speaks hope. Well, for me it does anyway.

    Anonomys,

    "No more reasons, no more talk of disease, promiscuity, or side effects... it's just plain wrong folks."

    I have already laid out all the health problems involved with sexual sin. I have never denied that heterosexual sin is unhealthy in every way, as is homosexual sin. But since you want to be so utterly ridiculous, allow me to ask you an intelligent question, and let's see if you have an intelligent answer, a ridiculous answer, or no answer at all.

    What is your take on the way that the number and frequency of sexual diseases has increased exponentially since promiscuity of all kinds becae comoonplace? A a tie-in let me ask what you think of the skyrocketing rate of poverty among the enourmous number of single parent households sexual sin has creted? And what of the documented menatl side effects of sexual sin where people are being psychologically damaged by thier behavior? Or is this all irrelevant to the discussion? All of these negative effects of sexual sin are sufficient proof for me that they are all wrong. Even without the Bible I would still be able to see the destruction sexual sin is causing.

    "Might as well read:
    It is not an alcoholic drinking flaw that causes the statistics showing a higher incidence of vehicular accidents and addiction among people, and men in particular, it is a documented fact."

    Have I come out in support of drunkenness? Indeed, even though I do consume a little acohol on occasion I would not cry if alcohol and the ability to make happened to simply vanish one day. Besides, you left out most of the other side effects of alcohol buse.

    However, ahh, never mind, I have a post coming very soon that will actually addres everything I was just about to say. Look for it soon, It's called "Universal Truth".

    "Want to talk about that other filter?"

    I can sum it up in one word: nonexistent.

    "Then I got some distance and perspective, and, long story short, I no longer believe."

    As did I Matt, as did I, only When I got my distance and perspective I got to see the and experience tthe devilish so thoroughly that it only served to reinforce all that I had abandoned. In short, it actually proved all that I had once, and now do cling to with every fiber of my being.

    You say you can't go back, and I am here to tell you that is not true. In fact, I know many people, and know of many more who can testify to this fact.

    Perhaps you remember what it was like to be able to feel God's Sprit moving in your own, to hear that voice in the back of your mnd telling you right and wrong from the eternal perspective. If so then you will recognize it when it moves again. The only question is whether you will reject it, or accept it.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 10:43 AM  

  • You God experience sounds a bit like mentel illness to me: "Perhaps you remember what it was like to be able to feel God's Sprit moving in your own, to hear that voice in the back of your mnd telling you right and wrong from the eternal perspective."

    But no, the real mental illness is not hearing voices in your head telling you to do things but it is loving a member of the same sex.

    Glad we cleared that up.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 12:30 PM  

  • DP76,

    "You God experience sounds a bit like mentel illness to me:"

    Who didn't see that one coming from a mile away?

    As someone who is not, and has never been a believer such things are going to sound like foolishness to you. That was written for the benefit of one who already knew what I was talking about from personal experience. But if it were a mentall illness as you suggest then what would you supposed cured him? Last I knew perspective never cured an illness, THAT takes medicine.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 1:24 PM  

  • This blog is becoming a one trick pony and is getting rather dull...

    Can you talk about anything other than God Is Everywhere, Evolution Is Bollocks and Gays Are Bad?

    Seriously. I don't mean to be rude but I have enjoyed some of your posts in the past... you're just repeating your prejudices these days and your tolerance of any other view than yours has reached a new low. It's a circus! People only comment on here because they enjoy the futility of trying to reason with you.

    What about global warming?
    American foreign policy?
    The AIDS epidemic?
    Political correctness?

    Come on. Let's have something new!

    Of course, you will just say that I cannot take the debate and so on but I know that you are so arrogant (and I don't mean that in an offensive way, contrary to how it sounds) as to believe that everything in your book is correct, making everything you say correct as the book is your filter.

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 3:17 PM  

  • DP76,

    "What about global warming?
    American foreign policy?
    The AIDS epidemic?
    Political correctness?"

    On temporoary hiatus, but returning with a vengeance pretty darn quickly. I have been holding it in for too long while I focus most of my eforts on the current debate on evolution, which has been an angoin gstudy with many refrences needed to assist in the rebuttals I have had to present. This is why my posts have been reduced form 2 every 3 days to 1 a week, and I am only just now starting to pick it back up as I draw into the final articles.

    By the way, you are probably going to HATE my next research project . . . but that is going to take awhile to form up. Psoosibly longer than awhile as I am also working on a new book, a fictional one.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 4:19 PM  

  • Dan T: "By the way, you are probably going to HATE my next research project . . ."

    Of course we are.

    That's why this blog exists after all.

    I am still unconvinced that you are not really a sandal-wearing long-haired dude typing this fictional Daniel Levesque character while eating lentil casserole and having a really good laugh...

    By Blogger DanProject76, at 9:56 AM  

  • Daniel L-

    As did I Matt, as did I...
    I get the feeling you could pick me out of a line up 9 times out of 10. And people gripe because I use Anonymous... go figure.

    Have I come out in support of drunkenness? Indeed, even though I do consume a little acohol on occasion I would not cry if alcohol and the ability to make happened to simply vanish one day.

    Some people might cry, but that wasn't really the point of my comment. You see, the problems with alcohol have lessened over time due to education and an attempt by our culture to face the issue head on and see the side effects. I believe the health issues with homosexuality could be handled in much the same way. We need to realize it will always be with us, deal with the preventable issues that might arise from it, and start treating them as people instead of a social issue.
    I don't think i'm being utterly ridiculous about this, i'm just being realistic. Why should I even care one way or another if homosexuals get married?
    I'm not gay, I really only know of a few homosexuals, and it has no direct affect on my life. It just seems the right thing to do, and I have no legitimate reason to deny them what they desire.

    What is your take on the way that the number and frequency of sexual diseases has increased exponentially since promiscuity of all kinds becae comoonplace?
    I agree completely. Promiscuity can lead to the spread of STDs.

    A a tie-in let me ask what you think of the skyrocketing rate of poverty among the enourmous number of single parent households sexual sin has creted?
    First, I want to make it clear that I do not see homosexuality as a sexual 'sin', but I am okay with the use of the term 'sin' when speaking of promiscuity and such, whether it be in heterosexual or homosexual relationships.
    That said, I believe this is really a two part question. Poverty and the cause of single parent households. I would say that
    many families that have remained together suffer under poverty due to low paying jobs, mismanagement of their money, debt, and a rise in cost of living. As for the reasons for that, they are numerous. The second part would be the cause of single parent households.
    Promiscuity, miscommunication, stress due to poverty, drug addictions, etc. The list is numerous for this as well. I do not believe it is good for a family to
    split up when children are involved. That is certainly traumatic for the children and will cause problems in their future -- I'm sure that is something many of us have witnessed.
    As for the split up of childless families, it's not always a good thing, but sometimes people just don't get along.

    And what of the documented menatl side effects of sexual sin where people are being psychologically damaged by thier behavior?

    I'm not sure about this, it's a little broad. Would you mind providing examples of the psychological damage in relation to specific behavior?

    All of these negative effects of sexual sin are sufficient proof for me that they are all wrong. Even without the Bible I would still be able to see the destruction sexual sin is causing.

    Which is why I think it is in the Bible to begin with. The people who wrote it had hundreds of years to put together their ideas and stories and knew what it would take to keep their civilization moving in the same direction (that is, intact and waking up alive the next day). They basically wrote down the common sense of their day and mixed in the divine to explain the source of these rules.

    Even without religion I think we would all come down on the side of keeping our relationships disease free and psychologically safe for our children. We as a human race tend to go for the least amount of chaos in our lives as we can. We don't rock the boat because we know that the water can be so frigg'n cold sometimes - and there are sharks. Sometimes we have to rock the boat to pull someone out of the water. Hmm.. sorry for the cheesy metaphor.

    I think homosexuals can marry and not bring about the downfall of civilization. Those who wrote the bible didn't see it this way, and I think they were wrong. I think they were right about a lot of things, but not this. No one can debate, "The Bible says...", it's up to the people who read it to think for themselves and come up with their own solution. I challenge it, and no, I don't expect you to do the same Daniel. You do as you see fit, and the rest of us will have to do the same. Unfortunately, the tug-of-war affects people that are decidedly not us, which is one reason we can pull so hard.

    Daniel said to DP76:
    As someone who is not, and has never been a believer such things are going to sound like foolishness to you. That was written for the benefit of one who already knew what I was talking about from personal experience.

    Thank you for not dismissing my religious experience due to my Atheism. I've had several Christians do that over the past few years, which basically shut down all debate because I was not one of them, or, according to them, never truly was one of them. I wasn't expecting this acknowledgement, which goes to show just how jaded I can be at times. From now on i'll stop with the snarky replies and show you equal respect in our debates. My apologies for months of mistreatment, I was way out of line.
    - Matt

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:38 PM  

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