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Thursday, December 15, 2005


That means YOU John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kenedy, and every other we-can't win, cut-and-run, Iraq is a quagmire, We're losing the war, US troops are terrorists, etc Democrat out there!

Today marks Iraq's THIRD democraic election in just ONE YEAR! Iraqis of all kinds are vigorously engaging in their newfound right to vote. The violence is now decreasing.

We have this thing won. We only need to stick it out a little while longer until the appropriate landmarks are met and then we can bring our troops home in both honor and glory.

So, to all of you anti-war activists out there who have been badmouthing our troops and the Iraqi people I say go find the bigest purple finger around and SPIN ON IT!


  • Here's my prediction on what Elizabeth Vargas(and I thought Peter Jennings was bad!) will say. "With the White House desperate for any good news out of Iraq, today's election is a much-needed political victory. Violence continues..."

    By Blogger Rebekah, at 7:52 AM  

  • Love it! Great post! Sit and spin!!

    By Anonymous The Count, at 8:51 AM  

  • i really WISH that everybody in America would open their eyes, & see how happy, proud, & excited the Iraqi people are about this!! Holy crap! What do they need to take off their blinders??

    By Blogger Libby, at 10:47 AM  

  • Twenty years from now, if the neocons have their way, we will STILL have a military presence in Iraq. That is part of the plan. The "pacification" of the region.

    Wanna bet?

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 11:22 AM  

  • Dan, you and the libs still don't get it.

    To my Raving conservative friend, as they say in Limbaugh land, ditto!

    By Blogger Rick's Corner, at 12:41 PM  

  • I agree with Dan.

    This is a wonderful day for the people of Iraq and I truly hope it all works out for the best.

    I also have no problem with the USA having one or two bases in Iraq for good. This is the only way it will work, as soon as we leave it will fail.

    Now that we're there let's do what it takes to have a good outcome, a outcome that benefits the USA.

    By Blogger Ranando, at 1:28 PM  

  • Ditto, indeed.

    What a great day for the Iraqis.

    I painted my finger purple today.
    It definitely got some looks and comments...

    By Blogger The Conservative UAW Guy, at 3:10 PM  

  • Dan Trabue said...
    Twenty years from now, if the neocons have their way, we will STILL have a military presence in Iraq.

    Uh yeah. We still have troops in Germany, Japan etc and we're not controlling them. How ignorant the left is of military operations eh? This lack of sense and knowledge of the real world is why they protest the war in the first place.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:45 PM  

  • People like Dan WANT the troops out of Iraq, so that when the mullahs and tyrants start all over again, they can just point and say,see, we told you it would fail. Biggest bunch of traitors to human decency ever to spout off.

    By Blogger Justthinkin, at 5:30 PM  

  • If the Democracy holds, and I think it will, in 20 years the liberals will find a way to take credit for it.

    By Blogger shoprat, at 6:21 PM  

  • All you have to do is look at the faces of the Iraqi people as they hold up their purple fingers and you can see the joy and pride.

    By Blogger jgf, at 9:02 PM  

  • justthinking said:
    "People like Dan WANT the troops out of Iraq, so that when the mullahs and tyrants start..."

    Yeah, that's it. I'm looking for more death and destruction. That's why I'm opposed to this illegal invasion.

    It has nothing to do with being a free moral agent who happens to disagree with your position that this is a just or moral war. Now that you've found me out, I'll be glad to march in lockstep behind you.

    "Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty."
    -George Washington

    "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. ... No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
    -James Madison

    "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice."
    -Albert Einstein

    So, does this mean no one's taking me up on my bet?

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 5:33 AM  

  • dan t

    There's nothing wrong about being vigilant to government excesses, as long as you can be vigilant without ignoring the realities of the world or becoming paranoid.

    BTW I noticed you completely ignored the point made by DarkSaturos.

    By Blogger blamin, at 6:26 AM  

  • Dan,

    If the Neocons have their way? It'll be if the Iraqis have their way that determines whether we will be there in 20 years, not the neocons.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 6:57 AM  

  • Wow Trabue, your catching some serious flack here!

    I have a few points to make:

    1) We ousted a murdering, rapist, dictator.

    2) We turned the terrorist fight away from America and brought it to their turf.

    3) I don't think anyone here wants soldiers or Iraqi citizens dead, we have no choice. We also want our soldiers home but let them do their jobs.

    4) Is democratic voting in Iraq a bad thing?

    5) Who voted 'yes' to this war? Congress. Not just W.

    Maybe some mistakes were made, maybe some information was wrong. Maybe. Either way, there is American blood fighting in Iraq so I'd hope you root for them. Do you go to Wildcat games and start booing?

    By Blogger Neo-Con Tastic, at 7:10 AM  

  • Ditto for me too. The democrats are eating crow today whether they will admit it or not. I've done posts on this Iraq and U.S. victory for the past 3 days because it's way too important.

    By Blogger Little Miss Chatterbox, at 8:38 AM  

  • "Maybe some mistakes were made, maybe some information was wrong. Maybe."

    Maybe? Bush thinks there were mistakes made and bad intel involved. So, unless you're doubting your commander-in-chief, I'd say "definitely."

    Blamin said:
    "BTW I noticed you completely ignored the point made by DarkSaturos."
    DarkS said:
    "How ignorant the left is of military operations eh?"

    Yes, I completely ignored an ad hominem attack. If you feed them, they only want more...

    [a little logic assistance. Ad hominem fallacy:
    1. Person A makes claim X.
    2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
    3. Therefore A's claim is false.]

    Finally, neo-con said:
    "there is American blood fighting in Iraq so I'd hope you root for them."

    And, if I were around then and the Klan had told Kentuckians, "there is Kentucky blood fighting in this Civil War, so I'd hope you'd root for them..." I'd not.

    I'll say it again, these two lessons that my momma taught me in Sunday School: Two wrongs don't make a right and the ends do not justify the means.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 10:15 AM  

  • Dan,

    Let me get this straight. You are comparing US soldiers to the KKK? That's a bit much.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 11:45 AM  

  • No. I'm certifiably NOT comparing US soldiers to the klan. I'm comparing situations.

    I believe this war to be morally, ethically and logically wrong. Further, I love and support our brothers and sisters who have been placed in the horrible position of being in a wrong war.

    That being the case, the best, most-supportive thing I can do is to work to get them home. If I do not think a war is just, then it makes sense that I do not support our brothers and sisters being there.

    Or, as Tom Delay said to then-President Clinton, "You can support the troops but not the president." or, as Delay also said, "I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it
    is often easier to make war than peace."

    Easier to make war, indeed. Just not always more righteous.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 11:57 AM  

  • Dan did not ignore the "point" DarkSaturos had made. The quotes that he cited are protests against a huge military, which DarkSaturos addressed.

    And us liberals tend to ignore ad hominem attacks and non-sensical arguments.

    By Blogger Son of Lilith, at 11:57 AM  

  • No one is asking anyone to address the attack part of Dark Sarturos' arguent. We are waitinf for your response to this part:

    "We still have troops in Germany, Japan etc and we're not controlling them."


    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 12:09 PM  

  • Germany and Japan are cooperating with us, mostly. That's what we want from Iraq.

    I'm not calling Bush, et al "evil." I'm saying that they want a world that is safe for them to operate in the mode that they desire. In a world that is safe for multinational corporations and, by extension, US citizens. It can sound almost noble.

    But the lengths that they will go to to do so, to ensure a cooperative world, are lengths I don't agree with. The ends do not justify the means.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 1:11 PM  

  • Dan, how is Iraq NOT cooperating with us?

    How is it that the president of Iraq and the ambassadors of Iraq are glad we are there helping them fight the good fight.

    The only people in Iraq that aren't cooperating are terrorists from surrounding countries. They come in and take their cheap shots.

    The terrorists don't want to see the USA to help Iraq become a democracy because it will spread to surrounding countries. And when it spreads, and it will, the terrorists will be eradicated.

    You see, terrorists need oppressed people. They need to take advantage of oppressed people (like the Iraqis when Saddam was in charge) to give them a cause. They brain wash oppressed people and tell them if we crush the powers in the west, we can flourish.

    WRONG! We will not sit by the wayside. We will continue the good fight. We will eradicate terrorism. We will set up Iraq with a democratic government which will help them flourish for years to come.

    So, for the record, Iraq is justified and the USA will win.

    'Nuf Said!

    By Blogger Disgruntled Car Salesman, at 1:25 PM  

  • Excellent post Daniel!

    I didn't come here to argue, and everyone (or most people here) no how I feel already.

    I came to read Daniel's most excellent Blog and to wish him and his a MERRY CHRISTMAS and a very blessed New Year.

    By Blogger Gayle, at 1:53 PM  

  • Libby said: "Holy crap! What do they need to take off their blinders??" What they need Libby, we can't give them. Altering brain patterns hasn't been perfected yet!

    By Blogger Gayle, at 6:54 PM  

  • America's accomplishments in Iraq are phenomenal. Unfortunately, the naysayers and scalawags are still critical of our mission and the positive outcomes. The following is a sample of America's accomplishment from the Bureau of Public Affairs, U.S. Department of State.

    Fact Sheet
    U.S. Agency for International Development
    Washington, DC
    December 7, 2005

    Top Ten USAID Strategic Accomplishments in Iraq

    Press Office: 202-712-4320
    Public Information: 202-712-4810

    1. Improving Primary Health Care: USAID is helping strengthen essential primary health care services throughout Iraq.

    * In 2005 alone, USAID-supported emergency campaigns immunized 98 percent of Iraqi children between 1-5 years old (3.62 million) against measles, mumps, and rubella,
    * Also in 2005, USAID immunized 97 percent of Iraqi children under five (4.56 million) against polio.
    * In all, USAID partners have trained more than 2,500 primary health care workers to expand access to essential primary health care services.

    2. Expanding Access to Electricity: In 2002, Baghdad had access to electricity 24 hours a day; the rest of Iraq was limited to 3-6 hours.

    * Currently, all 18 governorates receive nearly 14 hours of electricity daily, an incredible improvement for a country emerging from decades of conflict and little investment.
    * USAID efforts have added 1,400 megawatts (MW) of generating capacity to the national electrical grid, expanding access to 4.2 million Iraqis throughout most of Iraq.

    3. Providing Potable Water: Many parts of Iraq had no access to or provision of clean potable water. Indeed many of Iraq's waterways were contaminated with refuse and sewage.

    * Over 4 million Iraqis who had no clean drinking water in 2002 now have safe, potable water piped to their homes following USAID efforts to refurbish water treatment plants in 15 cities.
    * USAID is also providing plant-level operations and maintenance (O&M) training at major water and wastewater plants nationwide to ensure that these plants remain functioning.

    4. Restoring Sewage Systems: Before 2003, Iraq's cities suffered from inadequate sewage systems; backed up sewage created pools in neighborhoods or emptied directly into nearby rivers.

    * Today, USAID's rehabilitated sewage treatment plants throughout Iraq process a total of 339.7 million gallons daily.
    * These plants alone provide 7.2 million urban Iraqis - over a quarter of the national population - access to functioning, waterborne sewage, greatly improving sanitation and contributing to a decrease in waterborne disease.

    5. Improving Local Governance and Community Development: Iraqi democracy must prove itself through service delivery and community-based solutions to local problems.

    * With USAID assistance, representative provincial and municipal governments are more capable of delivering essential services to their constituents.
    * Countrywide, more than 670 community action groups focused on civic education, women's advocacy, and anti-corruption have been supported by USAID.
    * Working through local NGOs, USAID has implemented 4,672 quick impact projects throughout Iraq, providing short-term employment and restoration of basic services.

    6. Connecting Iraq to the Global Economy: The private sector is the engine for sustainable job creation and economic growth. To help guide policy reform, USAID's Investor Roadmap analyzes constraints to investment.

    * Iraq's Investment Promotion Agency was recently established with USAID assistance, and will serve as a resource to international investors.
    * USAID worked with the Ministry of Finance (MoF) to develop a Competitiveness Study, helping integrate efforts to create a robust private sector that fosters job creation.
    * USAID programs assist Iraq's MoF, Central Organization for Statistics and Information Technology (COSIT), and Iraq's Central Bank in meeting their International Monetary Fund (IMF) requirements. This $19 million technical assistance effort is expected to return to Iraq $480 million in the IMF Standby Agreement by December 2005 as well as debt forgiveness of $27 billion from the Paris Club by March 2006.
    * Working with the MoF, USAID introduced the new dinar currency to promote national unity and a sound functioning monetary policy. Currently, 4.62 trillion new Iraqi dinars are in circulation in Iraq.

    7. Expanding Political Inclusion and Expression: USAID assistance has helped prepare Iraq for two national elections, numerous provincial and municipal elections, and the Constitutional Referendum of October 15.

    * In preparation for the January 2005 election, USAID helped the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq (IECI) establish a voter registration system, and worked with the UN on improving balloting procedures.
    * USAID-supported NGOs distributed election materials, helped televise debates, and led over 22,000 town meetings to educate Iraqi voters.
    * USAID and a local NGO trained over 8,000 election monitors.
    * Current efforts are preparing 15,000 elections monitors for the December 15, 2005 elections.

    8. Supporting the New Iraqi Constitution: The January 2005 Interim Government election put into place a National Assembly to frame a constitution emphasizing democracy and the rule of law.

    * USAID partners provided constitutional specialists to the Drafting Committee while input from over 111,000 national surveys kept the Committee in touch with national sentiment.
    * The Iraqi Women's National Coalition, supported by USAID, developed a 10-point statement adopted in the constitution.
    * A USAID-supported NGO televised debates and distributed information. Nearly 9,500 monitors, trained by USAID partners, helped ensure a successful constitutional referendum.

    9. Transforming Primary Education: USAID assistance has helped Iraq move away from rote learning methodology in decrepit, unsanitary classrooms to interactive learning in rehabilitated buildings.

    * Since 2003, USAID has rehabilitated nearly 3,000 schools.
    * Over 20 million new textbooks have been supplied by USAID (8.6 million) and UNESCO (12 million).
    * By 2006, more than 133,000 primary school teachers - a third of Iraq's educators in all - will have received training and technical assistance.
    * Already, the most recent primary school enrollment numbers show a 19 percent increase from pre-war levels.

    10. Restoring Excellence in Higher Education: The USAID Higher Education and Development (HEAD) Program brings together five American and 10 Iraqi universities to help reestablish academic excellence in Iraq's higher education system.

    * Since January 2004, more than 1,500 Iraqi faculty and students have participated in workshops, trainings, conferences, and courses in Iraq, the Middle East, Europe, and the United States.
    * University facilities -libraries, computer and science laboratories, lecture halls, and buildings - have been rehabilitated at colleges throughout the country.
    * A mini-grant program supports new, innovative research throughout the country. In addition, books and electronic resources have been provided to university libraries.

    There is a good discussion at the aubreyj blog about this issue. Stabilizing Iraq has not been easy. And, I have even raised questions about our Iraqi War strategy. However, I cannot let naysayers and scalawags continue to downplay our accomplishments. Brave and dedicated men and women serving America in Iraq have sacrificed and have given their all to this mission. And, to minimize their individual and collective efforts is scandalous. Only a mean spirited and unscrupulous rascal would be so brazen to disparage American's good work. I salute our men and women in Iraq. God bless America.

    This article has been cross posted at: aubreyj.org

    By Blogger T.L. Stanley, at 1:19 AM  

  • Maybe? Bush thinks there were mistakes made and bad intel involved. So, unless you're doubting your commander-in-chief, I'd say "definitely."

    There are mistakes in every war, what's your point?

    who happens to disagree with your position that this is a just or moral war.

    Hold on. Saving millions of people from a potential death by an evil despot and giving them freedom is immoral? What?!

    You guys STILL have yet to understand that we did not go to Iraq for us. As you can see we are getting nothing out of this, the Iraqi's are the ones getting something. And the WMD thing was on the bottom of the list of reasons why we went to Iraq. Bush just used that one for public support and it came back to haunt him. Don't forget about the millions of Iraqi's who were tortured, killed, raped, starved, deprived of electricity, houses, water, and freedom. And that's just a few of the reasons. We wouldn't just go to war one a couple things. It protects us from terrorism, it protects the Middle East from terrorism, less people will die. Yes I said it, because of the Iraq war LESS people will die. I know people have died in this war but if Saddam was still in power he would have continued to kill Iraqi people.

    By Blogger Cody O'Connor, at 11:26 AM  

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