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Wednesday, January 04, 2006

I Want My $100,000

This post has been removed at the insistence of my wife.


  • It is more than unfair... It's ridiculous, ludicrous, and simply put, just plain wrong. And I know you don't begrudge your niece. Really, I 've read enough of your work to know that. But I do understand exactly where it is you are coming from on this, and it's another blatant example of the injustice of socialism.

    Property taxes are the same: You spend your money to improve the property you paid for only to be taxed more on property tax because you improved your property with your own money! How in the world can that possibly make sense to anyone?! ARRRGGGGGGGG!

    You may be concluding from this rant that we have done much improvement on our property and you would be right!

    By Blogger Gayle, at 7:08 PM  

  • And who is the grant from? As far as I know, TANF doesn't "give" away $100,000 to anyone.

    Is the grant a product of a private foundation or the gov't or what?

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 2:39 AM  

  • RC- I have a friend too that received a large amount of money as a subsidy. I forget the total amount but I want to say around $70k. Between lessened payments and purchase discounts, he's paying dramatically less. The house is in a lower-class area but the government is trying to 'create independency.'

    As you said, socialism punishes the rich to reward the lazy and he too, abuses the system. He doesn't need the help, but he CAN have it. 'Why not' he says.

    BTW, his electric, gas, and water are all subsidized too, paid for by yours truly.

    By Blogger Neo-Con Tastic, at 4:28 AM  

  • Yes, but you are a tool of the evil Chimpy Mcbushitlerstan military complex and therefore you are part of the problem. You actually work for a living and take responsibility for yourself! That's unacceptable!

    [/socialist diatribe]

    Sorry dude, but that's just awful. Don't take it as if I'm insulting your family here, but I think it's crap that someone who isn't worth the ground she walks on can get $100 grand like that and someone who sacrifices himself for us every day has to struggle and stretch his budget. I say we end welfare and start giving all that money we'll save to our soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, and Coastguardsmen.

    By Anonymous Steve the Pirate, at 4:47 AM  

  • A retraction (and an apology) is on My Republican Blog. Please go read it. I'm letting every one who posted a comment on my Social Security Blog know. I have learned a valuable lesson from this.

    By Blogger Gayle, at 6:24 AM  

  • "I say we end welfare..."

    "If we're going to end welfare, the rich should be the first to lose it."

    -Mac Morgan

    Anyone know yet who's giving these grants? No reason to get in a big huff over "gov't giveaways" until you know the source of the largesse.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 8:58 AM  

  • Dan,

    I will ask my wife is sfe remebers which government agency my niece went through for this grant. And yes, it IS a government grant.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 9:41 AM  

  • "They penalize the productive majority while rewarding the unproductive minority."

    While we're waiting to hear more about the source of this money and the purpose of the program, a few thoughts on the tone of this essay and these comments:

    How do they penalize the "productive majority"? Because we don't get free stuff?

    But we don't want free money, do we? That's what I hear many of you saying (to your credit). I don't. I have no great desire for $100,000 of federal money for a house.

    Why? Because we're folk who do what we can to be independent (although some of us may acknowledge that no one is ever truly independent). And that's a great thing.

    So, the next question is, am I penalized because my tax dollars are possibly going to pay for this program?

    And that's where I'm waiting to hear more about the source and reasoning. Suppose this is true: Poor people are getting $100,000 tax money for houses. What if, in the process of getting them this house, they are able then to "make it on their own," and become independent, productive taxpayers and laborers.

    What if, in that event, they no longer need federal assistance, stay out of jail, don't become pregnant out of wedlock, etc and this results in a savings of $200,000 that the unhoused cost (just supposing - I don't know the details of this program nor do you)?

    Should we cut off our nose (not give $100,000) to spite our faces (have to spend $200,000)?

    I'm not saying one way or the other because I don't know the details. All I'm saying is that perhaps you ought to wait to know more before getting in a snit.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 12:57 PM  

  • So, If I quit my job, drop out of college, get pregnant and cry on the governments shoulder, I'll get $100,000 for a house????? Where, where, tell me now!?!?!?!

    Good grief!!!! Socialism at its best here. Reward the lazy and punish the hardworking. *Sigh*

    Dan T:
    So you're saying that it is good thing if this program does indeed exist? Should the government(aka we taxpayers) have to support poor people and give them money for a house in order for them to become independent individuals????? You have got to be kidding me!!! Do you really think that GIVING someone money is going to make them think: "Okay, I am going to take charge of my life and my destiny now that the government has given me money for a house. You know, I should grow up and become a productive member of society. Yeah, that's what I'll do. I don't need any more help." Come on, Dan!!!!! I know plenty of unwed mothers on Welfare who as worthless as they can possibly be. They have the "entitlement mentality"(thanks to FDR) attitude and have repeatedly said to me, "What the ****. It's FREE!!! I'm not paying for it. Why should I get married? I've got it made. I'm just gonna live with my baby's father 'cause I'll get more money out of the government than I will from him." and "Don't worry about saving the leftover baby formula--I didn't pay for it! I don't care. I'll just get more. No big deal." Dan, these are the kinds of people that are on Welfare. Not people who need TEMPORARY help, but lazy worthless people who know how to manipulate and abuse the system. I know these people. I also know of two instances where two different families needed TEMPORARY help, and couldn't get it. They were flat-out refused. Guess their skin was the wrong color or something. Sad. They needed help with some bills because of bad times--one lost her job and was divorced at the same time. These two families are the ones that needed temporary help. See Dan, Welfare helps the wrong people!!! GRRRRRR!

    By Blogger Daisy, at 2:48 PM  

  • Almost makes one want to quit trying to improve their lot in life, doesn't it?

    By Blogger jgf, at 6:53 PM  

  • Daisy said:
    "So you're saying that it is good thing if this program does indeed exist?"

    I didn't say that. I said that you nor I know what this program is, who's paying for it or if it's reality.

    And IF it is reality, what if it is saving money in the long run?

    I'm saying that you may be jumping to conclusions based on very little.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 7:41 PM  

  • It is HUD that has this program. Apparently it has different variants for different states. In West Virginia it gives a grant of up to $100,000.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 8:02 PM  

  • Dan, there is no country, no state, no city, no community in the world that can take a socialist program like this and turn it into good.

    You assert that it "may" avert x and y problems...Remember that hitler said the same thing about exterminating the Jews. Maybe we should just bring back hitler because he "may" solve those problems.


    So can you stop with the "may" bullshit. You "may" die of a heart attack tomorrow unless you read this post, better read it twice! You may win the lottery tomorrow without playing!

    By Blogger Haximus, at 9:05 PM  

  • haximus,

    So YOU know the details and enough about the program to debate it on its merits? If not, please educate yourself first if you want credibility.

    I've yet to say the program is a good one, just that no one here seems to have any info on it and to debate a program you know nothing about demonstrates only that you know nothing.

    (and that's not a criticism, just a fact.)

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 2:50 AM  

  • OK, so as to help the conversation, I've done a little research (not exhaustive). My wife is a social worker working with housing needs and this "giveaway" sounds suspicious to me.

    There may be some basis in reality for it, though. Here's one sort of grant that I've been able to find:

    From Dallas:
    "If you are a police officer or teacher, you can get a 50 percent discount on a HUD-owned, one family home in a designated Revitalization Area. For example, if a HUD home is listed for $100,000, an officer can buy it for $50,000. To make a HUD home even more affordable, you can apply for an FHA-insured mortgage with a downpayment of only $100."

    Is this the sort of program you'd oppose? If so, debate it on its merits or lack thereof.

    I'm just suggesting you ought to debate some actual programs that are out there with the facts of the program instead of some mythical "giveaway to the poor and lazy."

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 3:26 AM  

  • Dan,

    There is a vast difference between trying to attract some of the most productive public servants in the nation into a formerly distressed neighborhood and giving away huge sums of money to people on welfare. I must say that I actually kind of like the idea of Dallas taking care of it's public servants this way while using these members of society to improve the neighborhoods.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 5:54 AM  

  • I do, too. ALL I'M STILL SAYING is that we don't know the details on the two anecdotes and that it makes no sense to get angry and debate a strawman when you don't even know what the strawman's made of.

    How about this scenario:
    Should we allow a $50,000 payback from the feds to certain business owners towards the purchase of a Hummer? That's right: Unless the law has recently changed, some businesses can spend $100,000 on a hummer and get $50,000 back (paid for with my tax dollars)!!

    Outrageous, yes?!

    Look a little deeper and you see that the law was written to assist small farmers in purchasing farm equipment...debatably not a bad idea. So, in that case, if I just relied on the first report I heard, I could have called for the heads of whatever asinine congressfolk created the law.

    Upon further investigation, at least I find out it was for a reasonable cause, even if the end result went awry.

    Facts matter. That's all I'm saying and many folk on the left and right tend to go off half-cocked yelling about situations about which they don't know Jack! And that only shows their ignorance (not an insult, a factual statement).

    You know how I know? Because I sometimes tend to go off half-cocked myself.

    Does that make sense at all?

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 2:56 PM  

  • Dan, whene someone uses the vehicle vredit, they are not getting PAID anything. It is a reduction in their taxes.

    Since you cannot seem to understand the difference between a reduction in taxes and a pay out in taxes, I dont see why I should put any stock in anything you say.

    By Blogger Haximus, at 5:22 PM  

  • I understand just fine the difference, haximus.

    For the record:
    "Under the new plan, a business owner who purchases a $110,000 Hummer H1 in 2003 can now deduct a total of $106,000 in the first year..."

    But the point that you seem to miss and thereby reinforce is that facts matter. What if I HAD been claiming that hummer buyers were getting a $50,000 check from the gov't? I would have been wrong and getting outraged based on bad info and passing on bad info myself.

    That IS the point. Facts matter. You all are going off half-cocked based on a report of a story that no one knows the details of.

    Thanks for the assist.

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