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Monday, October 16, 2006

North Korean Nukes

This article is hardly timely, but I had to wait until I handled my own emotions to be able to write it sensibly.

I must admit that my first reaction to the news that North Korea had successfully tested a nuclear bomb was a desire to nuke Pyongyang, the North Korean central military command structure, and whatever area Kim Jong Il happened to be staying in at the moment. This is how strongly I feel about madmen getting their hands on this most horrific of weapons.

My next reaction was one of outrage; outrage at my own country for even allowing North Korea to exist. If we had done our job properly in the Korean War and simply destroyed the communists as we were poised, ready, and able to do rather than splitting up Korea between democracy and communism this problem would never have occurred. If Bill Clinton hadn’t given nuclear reactors and plutonium to the North Koreans they would not have had the materials they needed to develop a nuclear bomb. If President Bush had gone after North Korea rather than Iraq there is a strong chance that Korea be both whole and democratic once again. I have never met a people who so longed to be reunited wit their brothers as the South Koreans, and I have never heard of a people in this day that long for freedom more than the North Koreans.

Now . . . my desire: my determination to see the north and south reunited is stronger than ever, and I am willing to see it through by any means reasonable. I think of the poor, innocent people being starved to death, imprisoned without cause, tortured for having a religion of any kind, and then I see a nuclear test, and think about the money it takes to develop the nuke, and I am outraged at the needles waste of human life in the mad effort to create a tool of death. I cannot reconcile such actions in my own mind because what is done to the North Korean people is so reprehensible it is nearly incomprehensible to me. When your people are starving the last thing a leader should be doing is spending nearly every bit of money and food the nation has on maintaining an oversized military and developing the most horrendous tools of war possible.

I have criticized the communists and the North Korean government in particular for years now. There is nothing, NOTHING redeeming about the leadership in that nation. The time is swiftly passing where we can fix the mistakes of the past and reunite Korea as a single peaceful nation. If we delay action much longer then North Korea will have the ability to nuke Seoul, and much of South Korea in retaliation if we finish our duty and kick the mad commies out of that country for the sake of lasting peace. The current leadership of North Korea is so . . . insane, inhuman, unbalanced, despicable, murderous, vile, and numerous other foul adjectives that it is a threat to everyone, and most especially our allies in South Korea and Japan. One because the communist north lusts after the land, farms, and industry of South Korea, and the other because of the deep abiding hatred many Koreans still hold for Japan due to the Japanese enslavement of all of Korea in the first half of the 20th century.

Reasonably speaking, the only true obstacle to a free and united Korea is China, and China simply supports North Korea because North Korea is a communist nation just like China. But while China has been altering itself from pure communism to a simple tyranny, with all the benefits (when compared to pure communism) it entails, North Korea is still as degenerate and enslaved as ever, and they are losing the support of the Chinese.

Ideally we could convince the Chinese to participate in a full embargo of North Korea and starve the fat leaders of that nation until they feel the same plight they have inflicted upon their people and are forced to crawl to the US and beg for aid with the promise to meet any condition we set, which would of course, be the dismantling of the government and military and the unconditional surrender to and reunion with South Korea. More likely North Korea would respond by invading South Korea, which would force the world to smash them into submission and forcibly dismantle the North Korean government and finally reunite north and south into the one nation they ought to be.

As of now the UN has declared sanctions against North Korea, and if the past is any indicator the North Korean government will flourish and continue to grow fat while the people suffer even more and the UN does nothing at all to fix it. It is the way of the UN to talk much, sanction often, and ultimately do nothing of any real consequence. I hope and pray that this time I am wrong.

What must be done is clear. North Korea must cease to exist. The real question is: what is the best way to do it?


  • The "best" way would be for the government to just fall apart, but that's not likely to happen.

    North Korea is a cudgel for China to pressure the surrounding states, they have no interest in reuniting north and south unless under their control. They might finally decide to remove the Pyongyang Dwarf, but I doubt they would allow reunification. I expect they would install a new dictator instead.

    China is of course the reason the two states exist. Truman couldn't finish the war as he should have because of China's entry. MacArthur paid the price for demanding full victory. Too many communists from FDR's administration were already working to stop the destruction of the new criminal regime. Nuclear attacks on the North and China were the only things that could have ended the war, but fear of Russia kept the bombs from dropping. We decided that Europe was more valuable than Korea.

    By Blogger ScottG, at 6:00 AM  

  • "Nuclear attacks on the North and China were the only things that could have ended the war, but fear of Russia kept the bombs from dropping."

    Well, that, and the immorality of such terrorism (ie, deliberate attacking of civilians)...

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 11:46 AM  

  • Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    Besides, I don't think that the "immorality" was that much of a restraining factor in those times. Also, I tend to think we would have used them against the massed army installations instead of indiscriminate city attacks. Remember China was using human wave attacks, much more easy to target than our forces.

    I wonder if you considered what the cost would have been if we continued a conventional war until we occupied Japan? I believe estimates were up to one million casualties on our side alone. Compare that to the few hundred thousand who died in the nuclear bombings. What's more moral, hundreds of thousands dead or millions? It doesn't really matter does it? Dead is dead no matter the manner of death.

    I fully believe that had we not used the bomb on Japan, Russia would have eventually entered the Pacific theater and we would have ended up partitioning Japan as well. I don't think that would have turned out well for the world.

    By Blogger ScottG, at 4:00 PM  

  • "Like Hiroshima and Nagasaki?"


    "Besides, I don't think that the "immorality" was that much of a restraining factor in those times."

    Actually, there was a great deal of outcry about it and - get this - especially from conservatives! I could look up the info, if you need confirmation and don't want to look it up yourself.

    Now-a-days, there's still some support for Hiroshima, but it's waning. It's more support from older folk (over 60) and less support from younger folk.

    Mostly, I'd suggest that studies all agree that people are united in opposition to nuking cities - and to nukes, at all.

    Again, if you doubt it and don't want to look it up, I could give you some supporting links.

    No, part of the reason that no US leaders have tried to push the notion of nuking a city very seriously is that it would be met with vehement opposition by the populace at large for many reasons, not the least of which is that it violates our laws.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 6:23 PM  

  • Nukes were not the only way to end the war with a unified democratic Korea. We had the North Koreans and the Chinese pushed back almost al the way to china when our leaders brokered a peace deal splitting the nation along the 38th parrallel. This deal actually gave back the land we had won, allowing North Korea to expand from a sliver a few miles wide to what it is today. It was a gutless move on the part of politicians who wanted the war to end more than they wanted to win it. (Sound familiar?)

    As far as nukes go . . . they, along with chemical and biological weapons are an abomination. While the fact remains that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved an estimated 1,000,000 American lives, and an an unknown amount of Japanese and allied lives, almost everyone who died was a noncombatant. The though of nukes, chemical weapons, and biological weapons actually being used is simply terrifying to me. They are indiscriminate, killing everyone and everything. While I can accept some civillian deaths in the course of a responsibly conducted war (They are unavoidable after all, it's sad, but true.) wanton destruction on that scale is murder to my way of thinking. It can only be justified under the most extreme of circumstances, and only because I value tehlives of Americans more than I value the lives of our enemies.

    I wish such horrors had never been created, but since they exist we are forced to have them, and have will to use them in dire circumstances. God help us all.

    By Blogger Daniel Levesque, at 9:30 PM  

  • "While the fact remains that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved an estimated 1,000,000 American lives"

    That - as my elementary school teacher would be quick to point out - is an opinion, not a fact. We don't know facts about anything that MIGHT have happened. Or not.

    "As far as nukes go . . . they, along with chemical and biological weapons are an abomination."

    Here, we agree.

    "I wish such horrors had never been created, but since they exist we are forced to have them, and have will to use them in dire circumstances."

    Here, we disagree bitterly.

    I'll point out again that it is against our laws to bomb cities.

    By Blogger Dan Trabue, at 3:06 AM  

  • Ugh, I'm choking as I say Dan's right - to a point. A nuclear assault on NKorea would not only be an atrocity but also an irony that we couldn't avoid.

    To begin, I feel that diplomacy is the first step. Economic sanctions, embargos, and restrictions would be the next step. Sanctions have been proven to be successful in the past, especially in the case of tyrannical empires.

    If that doesn't succeed, we soldify our alignment with Australia, SKorea, Japan, and Red China and discuss actions. Surely we can snuff out this flame before it escalates.

    If none of the above succeed, let's fire-bomb them back to the '20s.

    Surely you can agree with that Dan?

    By Blogger Neo-Con Tastic, at 7:38 PM  

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